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Hi TSOC Members!

Since I have inherited this forum from Sean, I have fixed the registration issue, and that was basically it. I am sorry. 

A lot of us Taurus and Sable owners have seemed to move on to other make and models. (Devin - Dodge, Sean - Honda, Me - Pontiac/Toyota, Buick) 

However, that being said, this forum also has shown a decline in population. I am not sure what to do. 

This forum has always been (Or should be...) an ad-free environment. Donations welcome to keep the lights running. I haven't checked to see how we look for finances either because it looks weird, so I need to work with Sean on that. 

That being said... I would like the community's feedback on what we can do. I thought about what if we just turned this forum into a car enthusiast forum. I know there are plenty of those that exist, but hey, what's one more, right? There are knowledgeable people on the forums, and there is good content already on our forum. Perhaps welcoming everyone in, regardless of what they drive, just as long as they take pride in their ride, could bring life back?

I've also heard from others, do nothing. The Taurus/Sable nameplate didn't seem to gain traction with the car's reboot, and people (like me) are preferring cars with liftgates, not trunks. Many Taurus/Sable owners are getting rid of their cars, which is either they wanted something better, or the car was in poor health due to rust, mechanical operation, or other reasons where the car wasn't worth keeping. These cars then end up sold cheap to others, or traded in and auctioned off to buy-here/pay-here lots who sell them to people who have no credit, only to wreck the cars from there. The Tauruses that people cared about are the SHO's, and there is a dedicated forum for SHO Owners. Not much love for Vulcan, Essex, or Duratec Powered Taurus/Sables, and little interest in the rebooted Taurus that was discontinued again. 

And with that being said, that'd mean letting the forum die off as the lights are based off community donations, not advertisements. If we don't get enough in donations, can't afford to pay for Hosting, Domain, and the Forum Software (Invision). I'd hate to see that happen as there are a lot of great people on the forum, but forums seem to be a thing of the past. People prefer FaceBook or Instagram. While useful, today's social media sites make it hard to find useful information with tons of ads everywhere. 

I'm inviting all members of the community to weigh in. If you have good ideas, I could use your help. I inherited the forum when I became a full time college student, and honestly, I suck when it comes to creativity.

I am open to any ideas and creativity from our members. For those who have great ideas - Positions of Moderators available! 

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I'm happy with this forum. I check in most every day.

 

The volume is very light, and I kind of expected that when I joined, but I like the crew here. We NEVER have petty fights over sh!t.

If you need to pass the hat, say so, I'm in for a few bucks to keep the lights on.

Opening to other enthusiasts? How do we attract them? I guess I am cool with that.

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I never knew you had inherited it!  I love this place and what it used to be.  More importantly, I love the friends it allowed me to make here.  I tried getting involved with my states Mopar club, but it was nothing like what we had here and I just stopped going.  I do miss how it used to be.  I like the idea of transitioning to an all inclusive format and I'm also prepared to donate to help keep this place going.  I hope to see the buzz return that seemed to vanish pretty suddenly a few years back.  Im in on keeping it alive if that's the will of the people.  You have my support! 

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I see a lot of forums going trough this. Younger people are not so much technically inclined to work on cars, they rather pay someone. Also, they are not using forums, their brains are damaged by instant gratification offered by "social media" - Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat...

PS: My wagon Sable keeps on driving daily, very little maintenance needed - this year one steering pressure switch leaking, one fog light broken by a pebble... but temptation is great to get something newer. I would never buy a Honda or Toyota, but that's just me :)

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zenriddles, how would we attract them? I haven't the slightest clue!!! 

Jeff, I agree, and yeah, I think it was more of a soft transition. The forum had so many issues, I volunteered to fix them (Registration problem for example) so Sean said I should be the new president. I do like that our community isn't a harsh community. I have been on other sites that get harsh when a member "leaves" the community by buying a different car. I've always been under the impression - If you take care of your car, and you take pride in it, I can respect it for what it is. 

SoNic - That's exactly the thing I am afraid of is the forum is a dying medium. Sites like FaceBook do make it easy... People subscribe to things they "like" but finding information is so hard on there. I know TSOC has a FaceBook page, but I have no idea how to run the thing lol. While I love the Taurus/Sable Wagons, they are generally rotted out here, or will rot out here due to design from the salt in IL. Makes servicing them a pain, and I am getting to the stage in life where I don't want repairs to take forever. 

With our community being accepting of other make/models, that's why I figured a general car club could maybe bring others back, or invite new people over. The other reason people generally joined car forums was for repairs, however, youtube has a wide variety of videos that people may just go to the Youtube page for help. Again, another example of social media replacing the days of the tired forums. 

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Hi,

I am here today because I was going to look through classifieds.

I don’t think the problem is people aren’t tinkering or young people aren’t repairing.  It’s not even social media.

I remember in the infancy of the TCCA people were joining en masse because they couldn’t find resources for repair.  Now there is a YouTube tutorial for nearly everything.  If it doesn’t apply to the Taurus chances are there is one for a similar platform vehicle that will work.

People joined and saw the community and realized that people were modding their Taurus and it was infectious.  They got repair advice.  The enjoyed the community.  

That sense of community is mostly gone now though.  I used to post every day.. went through a dark period where I drove an escort.  A couple years later got a 2012 Taurus.  Stopped to check in. Not very many posts.  Checked in less and less... to the point I’d see the same threads several days in a row with no posts.  

I don’t think you can fix it.  Ads suck but with such low participation I don’t see how you have any other choice other than letting it slowly fade away.  I guess I’d support ads if it meant the forum gets to live.  You gotta remember when the whole ads thing reared it’s ugly head it was probably the lowest point in the TCCA’s existence... lots of strife, lots of animosity and lots of people worried about backroom deals and the owners profiting off them.  

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Yeah, I consider Youtube to be part of the social media revolution. It is a fantastic resource, don't get me wrong, but sometimes just getting everything in one spot is hard. Everytime I work on a car, I always look for a forum that specializes in it personally, because sometimes people post the important specs or detailed photos of something.

Of course, if anyone is interested in helping revamp the forum, or help make changes, let me know! I am not creative, so that hurts making a place inviting. 

As for ads? I don't want to go that route. They always seem to lead to problems. 

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I agree a lot with what other have said but I will say this forum really got traction because of a select group of members who were very passionate about their vehicles and went to great lengths to care for them and develop worth while modifications. Everyone cared about each other and what they were doing with their vehicle and wanted to follow what was happening. 

I own one of the most popular vehicles in the country but I have only posted to an F150 forum maybe a handful of times. One reason is because I bought a high trim vehicle and there isn't much to do to make it better, and the second is that anything I need for info is usually in a good youtube video thanks to the hundreds of thousands of other F150 owners. Also there is Ford Tech Makuloco who pretty much revolutionized the youtube tutorial for car repairs. These guys that come up with great tutorial videos for common vehicles are guaranteed to become an instant success.

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This is more of a forum operational issue, but I noticed I can’t view new member posts. Gives me a permissions error. 

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On 7/8/2019 at 8:44 PM, Thub said:

I agree a lot with what other have said but I will say this forum really got traction because of a select group of members who were very passionate about their vehicles and went to great lengths to care for them and develop worth while modifications. Everyone cared about each other and what they were doing with their vehicle and wanted to follow what was happening. 

 I own one of the most popular vehicles in the country but I have only posted to an F150 forum maybe a handful of times. One reason is because I bought a high trim vehicle and there isn't much to do to make it better, and the second is that anything I need for info is usually in a good youtube video thanks to the hundreds of thousands of other F150 owners. Also there is Ford Tech Makuloco who pretty much revolutionized the youtube tutorial for car repairs. These guys that come up with great tutorial videos for common vehicles are guaranteed to become an instant success.

Ah I love Ford Tech Makuloco's videos, even though I don't own any other Fords other than my T-Bird anymore, he has a great delivery and content method. Him, others like him like South Main Auto Repair, they do a fantastic job, but even then, I just prefer the environment of a forum for discussing automotive stuff and general stuff. 

On 7/9/2019 at 2:24 AM, Kodachrome Wolf said:

This is more of a forum operational issue, but I noticed I can’t view new member posts. Gives me a permissions error. 

Can you PM or screenshot the error for me? 

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18 hours ago, TaurusKev said:

Can you PM or screenshot the error for me? 

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5 hours ago, Kodachrome Wolf said:

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Try it again, should be fixed. Appears that Centennial Members did not have access to view the forums for that, but they had access to the actual forum itself, creating some weird issue that I tested and appears to be resolved now. 

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Seems to be working perfectly now, thanks!

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I never knew this forum was here.  My first Taurus was a 91.  It had about 194k miles & was 30 mpg on the hwy with the 3.0 V6.  The transmission was rebuilt at 97k miles, but made the car drive like new again. I sold it in 2001.

I found a 2002 Sable wagon with the 3.0 DOHC V6.  I'm still not sure whether this is what they call the Vulcan or not.  This car was $2500, but is reliable & worth $25k.  I found a 2003 Taurus wagon this week.  It's got the other 3.0 V6 OHC (Vulcan?). It's also got a couple of problems I want to fix.  The power antenna, key fob (which I got working by cleaning out some moisture), and the heat turns cold quickly when I turn the knob to heat.  I'm thinking clogged heater core.  

Glad to find this.  Thanks for being here. 

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Welcome!!! I am glad you found this place! If you have the DOHC, it's a Duratec, if you have a 3.0L and the valve cover says OHV, it's a Vulcan. There were no single overhead cams in any of the Tauruses. 

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OHV.  Got it.  It seems to leak a little oil.  I read that it'll still run, so I will look into gaskets or something to see if it's a fairly easy fix.  🚗

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I check in quite rarely....mostly because it seems the first gen followers are all but dried up pretty much everywhere I go. Im still an avid follower (even picked up another one last year) but it seems like fewer and fewer are interested.

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I had the coolant flushed & changed in the 03 Taurus wagon.  Vulcan 3.0  V6. It still starts out blowing warm air, but cools off in 60 seconds in heater mode.  New thermostat, too.  

Does this sound like it needs a heater core replacement?

Thanks!

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23 hours ago, Sablekid said:

I check in quite rarely....mostly because it seems the first gen followers are all but dried up pretty much everywhere I go. Im still an avid follower (even picked up another one last year) but it seems like fewer and fewer are interested.

Yeah, it is sad, because even then, I think with the Taurus moving from a regular sedan to that massive boat didn't help the Taurus nameplate. The Taurus was an affordable, reliable, and safe car. Not too big, not too small. Then the Gen 5/6... Was a bit large, but lacking the space that people of today wanted in a large vehicle, did no favors to the Taurus nameplate. There was a reason people quit buying Crown Victorias, it's a big car, but considered small. At that point, people went to the SUV market as is true of our police officers today. I see more Explorer Police Interceptors than anything. The space is nicer for a large vehicle. 

Sadly, what should have been the Taurus (The Fusion) also will be dying off soon as cars aren't desirable anymore. I am kind of guilty of it too. My favorite vehicle to drive is my Mitsubishi Endeavor because it IS higher up, it has tons of space, and also has the best air conditioner. I honestly cannot see myself getting anything that does not have a tailgate. The Taurus wagon was perfect, but, nobody wants station wagons. 

Maybe with the Taurus and Fusion both being discontinued... Down the road Ford might reintroduce the Taurus as a proper midsize platform. However, I think the Taurus nameplate will just end up like the Chevy Lumina - Long gone and one day forgotten. I am sure that any Lumina enthusiasts who wanted to see the Lumina come back have stopped. I give credit to the Japanese for being consistent with their naming schemes as I am one who likes things with history behind the name. 

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4 hours ago, Tims02SableDOHC said:

I had the coolant flushed & changed in the 03 Taurus wagon.  Vulcan 3.0  V6. It still starts out blowing warm air, but cools off in 60 seconds in heater mode.  New thermostat, too.  

 Does this sound like it needs a heater core replacement?

Thanks!

Perhaps starting a new thread in maintenance and repair, but it does sound like either 1. You might have air still in the system, or 2. You have a plugged heater core. Heater cores are a bit of a problem with the Tauruses. 

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2 minutes ago, TaurusKev said:

Yeah, it is sad, because even then, I think with the Taurus moving from a regular sedan to that massive boat didn't help the Taurus nameplate. The Taurus was an affordable, reliable, and safe car. Not too big, not too small. Then the Gen 5/6... Was a bit large, but lacking the space that people of today wanted in a large vehicle, did no favors to the Taurus nameplate. There was a reason people quit buying Crown Victorias, it's a big car, but considered small. At that point, people went to the SUV market as is true of our police officers today. I see more Explorer Police Interceptors than anything. The space is nicer for a large vehicle. 

Sadly, what should have been the Taurus (The Fusion) also will be dying off soon as cars aren't desirable anymore. I am kind of guilty of it too. My favorite vehicle to drive is my Mitsubishi Endeavor because it IS higher up, it has tons of space, and also has the best air conditioner. I honestly cannot see myself getting anything that does not have a tailgate. The Taurus wagon was perfect, but, nobody wants station wagons. 

Maybe with the Taurus and Fusion both being discontinued... Down the road Ford might reintroduce the Taurus as a proper midsize platform. However, I think the Taurus nameplate will just end up like the Chevy Lumina - Long gone and one day forgotten. I am sure that any Lumina enthusiasts who wanted to see the Lumina come back have stopped. I give credit to the Japanese for being consistent with their naming schemes as I am one who likes things with history behind the name. 

I agree about sticking to the same name, i.e. Camry.  I've said so fir years, too.  I do, however prefer a wagon to a higher sitting vehicle. My Sable wagon is low enough that it's not going to flip upside down in the middle of the road the way I've seen "SUVs."  I don't need a ladder to get my kayaks on & off the roof / kayak racks.  My wife loves driving it, too.  So we found a 2nd wagon, the '03 Taurus.  It's a smooth ride, the engine & transmission seem strong, but the heater isn't working correctly.  I hope to fix that soon.  

I'd hate to see the Taurus eliminated.  It was #1 from 92 - 96, wasn't it?

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9 minutes ago, TaurusKev said:

Perhaps starting a new thread in maintenance and repair, but it does sound like either 1. You might have air still in the system, or 2. You have a plugged heater core. Heater cores are a bit of a problem with the Tauruses. 

Ok.  Excellent idea.  I'm still finding my way around here.  Thanks. 

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Perhaps trailing off topic a bit...

Im not sure what I am going to do myself if I ever have to replace my current driver. Hopefully the old sedans hang on for many years. I absolutely hate any of the SUV or crossover type vehicles. I find them difficult to see out of, i dislike not being able to "feel" the road, I don't need to sit high up, and for the most part I dislike the styling. One of the greatest things I love about my Marquis is the no nonsense of it in an era of everything electronic. Simple controls, no screens, no need to touch the brake and press a button to turn it on, no goofy sensors opening doors and the like. My parents got into a small business recently of selling "totaled" vehicles....they all pretty much had minimal damage and low mileage but the insurance companies just find it cheaper and easier to total the vehicle. Some cars being less than 2 years old had so many "sensor" issues that ate up customers time basically because dealerships simply couldn't find the issue, or would correct it only to have it come back shortly after. Anyways....

I know many think the first gen Taurus and Sables to be a pretty cool vehicle....especially when you learn of their backstory and how they totally changed the game. Alas, most find them ugly (the Sable in particular) and just scratch their head as to why anyone is even hanging on to one. Most of the time I just keep my interest in them quiet. I had a lot of strange looks when I entered the parade this year....in all reality it was mainly to advertise the business but I figured the Sable would be more interesting than another Marquis which are still dime a dozen around here.

And to add to the actual topic....I could care less myself if this site was funded by advertising if need be. Still plenty of info that should be kept around and if the admin is happening to make profit from it, i guess i could care less. It allows me to freely use the site and the person running it actually has incentive to keep it going.

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Some day I'd like to get a Gen I/II Taurus or Sable, but that'll down the road. Two cars are plenty and they can do most any task I ask of them.

I'm still here because of the community; I've met some wonderful people from here. I'm active with Panther communities, but even though those cars are aged, we still have plenty of people picking up later model ones trying to do small mods or inversely people picking up the oldest ones trying to make a cheap classic cruiser. Obviously the Taurus falls into a more-so forgettable realm to non-car people/enthusiasts, and I'm sure most people picking them up are on competitor forums.

 

Maybe we could change towards "Regular Cars Everyone Forgot About from 1979-2007".  :D  Attract all the odd ball and regular cars that most people wouldn't give a second look at that come from the end of the Malaise Era that eventually became catalysts into "modern" styling.

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2 hours ago, Kodachrome Wolf said:

Maybe we could change towards "Regular Cars Everyone Forgot About from 1979-2007".

Some days I think I own about half of them....

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