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Rohand901

Vulcan MTX swap FAQ

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EDIT:
This thread is to chronicle the build of my 2006 vulcan mtx project.
I've used quite alot of information that as of now is still available on this forum website as well as TCCA and SHOFORUM.
I will try to include as much detail as I feel is relevant. Feel free to ressurect it from the dead years from now just to piss off an admin.
If the pictures ever dissapear, send me a PM and I'll try to fix the links

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Hypothetically....

If Someone needed to go to the Junkyard and remove an ax4n from a donor vehicle....
what tools would they need to bring?

Assuming the car is already properly supported on jackstands old wheels on a level surface gravel.
Assuming the vehicle is an 04-07 Vulcan.

Go!

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8mm, 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, and a can do attitude. 

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You'd bring a portable gas blowtorch and burn that mother to the ground. 

 

Then find an MTX-IV in an old SHO... :ph34r:

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Use a furniture dolly to move the trans. Get one with air filled tires so it performs well in gravel.

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Disconnect struts from body.  Disconnect AC lines.  Disconnect PS lines.  Disconnect pinch bolt on rack.  Disconnect calipers, shifter linkage, coolant hoses.  Drop subframe.  Separate trans from engine.

 

Oops you said tools.

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This thread is now irrelephant.

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Vulcan with a 5MT. Oooooh. 

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Has anyone done a manual duratec taurus/sable?

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This isn't about duratec's mark. Step off my thread

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2 minutes ago, Rohand901 said:

This isn't about duratec's mark. Step off my thread

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Just a question bro

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53 minutes ago, Rohand901 said:

This isn't about duratec's mark. Step off my thread

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It's ALL ABOUT DAN TODAY, FOLKS. 

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Oooh, this looks exciting! Something tells me the Vulcan with a manual will be more responsive than the A4XGrenade slushomatic currently in there.

Any time frame in which we will see it done?

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I can't grammar to save my life.
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14 hours ago, Kodachrome Wolf said:
Oooh, this looks exciting! Something tells me the Vulcan with a manual will be more responsive than the A4XGrenade slushomatic currently in there.

Any time frame in which we will see it done?

Umm, like my super unrealistic date is before the next Nick's meet. But I seriously doubt it. I don't want to rush this and pay the price.

I still have to get a bunch of stuff together. I have found all of the used parts necessary including the shifter. But I still need a complete clutch kit and a flywheel (thats only money nbd).

I gotta open up the mtx and make sure its in good shape, otherwise I need to find one for parts 

I need to get a tuner and get in touch with Ford performance specialists and start figuring out how to make it work.

Then I've got a bunch of prep to do. Gotta move the SJB, make the pedals fit, reroute the exhaust for the shifter and cut a hole in the floor, and one in the firewall for the clutch cable.

My buddies are gonna help me when the time for the swap comes though. Cause I'm going to need a hand getting the shell off the subframe and getting it back on. I'm hoping to do that physical part and be down a car for only 2 weeks. Good prep is gonna save my ass there. Cause I need to modify the subframe and build a mount for the jackshaft.

Definitely will be done for Carlisle, assuming it passes NC inspection

I'm gonna either start a new thread documenting the swap (AFAIK its only been done 3 times previously, Jeff's 87 Wagon, Jato(from tcca) 06 SE, and some other bro with a gen 3), or document it on my build thread. Either way, I'll keep the internet updated

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JATO's build thread should be your best resource on this project. 

 

You're gonna have a Taurus ST. :P 

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JATO's build thread should be your best resource on this project. 

 

You're gonna have a Taurus ST.  

As long as ST stands for Slow Turd in this instance

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Just now, Rohand901 said:

As long as ST stands for Slow Turd in this instance

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You'll be surprised how that Vulcan torque responds to five gears shifted on demand. 

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I will help out as much possible. The gen 4's bank1 cat converter will be in the way of the right (SHO) axle boot. I suggest a Tempo V6 manifold / Y pipe setup or a 3rd gen setup- either way, the EGR tree and post cat 02 sensors will have to be corrected to the car. You will have to grind the cast iron rear motormount support (the area that hangs down to the differental end of the AX4N and the two bolts attach it all together). Make sure your Vulcan roll restricter is in good shape, putting the 5-speed in reverse and loading the power will cause a lot of "hop" if there is a weak area (my '87 still does this if I'm not easy on it). Hopefully you can trick the rev limiter, trust me - you will know the limits long before possible damage.

The gen3 guy on TCCA is Mr. Pants. 

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13 hours ago, double--negative said:
I will help out as much possible. The gen 4's bank1 cat converter will be in the way of the right (SHO) axle boot. I suggest a Tempo V6 manifold / Y pipe setup or a 3rd gen setup- either way, the EGR tree and post cat 02 sensors will have to be corrected to the car. You will have to grind the cast iron rear motormount support (the area that hangs down to the differental end of the AX4N and the two bolts attach it all together). Make sure your Vulcan roll restricter is in good shape, putting the 5-speed in reverse and loading the power will cause a lot of "hop" if there is a weak area (my '87 still does this if I'm not easy on it). Hopefully you can trick the rev limiter, trust me - you will know the limits long before possible damage.

The gen3 guy on TCCA is Mr. Pants. 

I had a feeling that the exhaust would be a problem.
And yeah my toque dog bone is SHOT so I'm gonna build a thing for that.

How do you know the Gen 3 y pipe works?
I think I would rather honestly get new cats and shorty cheap ranger headers and try to make that work. I obviously have to move the "mid pipe" already anyway, so why keep the stock collector location. Although, the more im thinking about that, i dont think ranger parts will work, because the headers will be facing towards the drivers side f the car, not the passenger side.

Morana offers the flanges and I could free hand my own system. But the thought of giving morana like real money makes me vomit slightly

 

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2 hours ago, Rohand901 said:

I had a feeling that the exhaust would be a problem.
And yeah my toque dog bone is SHOT so I'm gonna build a thing for that.

How do you know the Gen 3 y pipe works?
I think I would rather honestly get new cats and shorty cheap ranger headers and try to make that work. I obviously have to move the "mid pipe" already anyway, so why keep the stock collector location. Although, the more im thinking about that, i dont think ranger parts will work, because the headers will be facing towards the drivers side f the car, not the passenger side.

Morana offers the flanges and I could free hand my own system. But the thought of giving morana like real money makes me vomit slightly

 

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Yeah, fuck Morana. 

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I met Mr. Pants a few times before my 5-speed swap, he had no issues with the exhaust. The only stated issue was the reversegear-hop, IIRC he fixed that. Researce on the swap from other sources is kinda incomplete, what I mean is: even though a handful of people have done it, some things were not mentioned (like the motor mount and exhaust). Look at it this way, the only problem is the axle/jackshaft set up. If you could source a one peice axleshaft, all would be well. Then you would have torque-steer equal to that of a Nissan. :)    

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I met Mr. Pants a few times before my 5-speed swap, he had no issues with the exhaust. The only stated issue was the reversegear-hop, IIRC he fixed that. Researce on the swap from other sources is kinda incomplete, what I mean is: even though a handful of people have done it, some things were not mentioned (like the motor mount and exhaust). Look at it this way, the only problem is the axle/jackshaft set up. If you could source a one peice axleshaft, all would be well. Then you would have torque-steer equal to that of a Nissan.     

Yes there is certainly limited info, but what is there is pretty good. From what I can't tell from Jatos thread on Tcca(I know, I know, burn the heretic), he used the stock y pipe as well, but it's tough to tell what the clearance looks like.

These are things to be expected on a swap like this. I appreciate all the input Jeff

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Don't mind me, just gathering components. 377e18d02073b7b304207590278dfa69.jpg952e2637b57331c72124021045cef611.jpg

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The hell with the build log, I'm just gonna update here:

Weekend (8/6/16) Update!
Goals: Install 3 pedals and move the SJB.
Status: Finished, although it nearly killed me

So, I bought a Rod Shifter assembly sight unseen on the internet from Wisconsin (i can hear all of you laughing now).
It was REALLY grimey, but I scraped most of that off and cleaned it up as best as I could. I'm either gonna sandblast it all and repaint it, or get some of that rust bath stuff, and repaint it.
It also had these little tabs on it, which may have served a purpose once, but don't anymore. I was gonna keep them, until one of them bit me, then the cutoff wheel came out...
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So, I wanted to get the pedals in this weekend. I knew the SJB had to be moved (pre-04', the GEM can apparently stay; its alot smaller than the SJB).
I started by first removing my adjustable pedals( Which i  just HAD TO HAVE like 18 months ago) (note the adjustable part, that important for later)
It is eventually going to wind up under the center console, but won't fit with the ATX shifter assembly, So its just chilling in the passenger footwell right now.
Idk how many wires are in the SJB, but it seems like literally ALL OF THEM. 10/10 would not recommend this shit.
I ordered 500 feet of 20 gauge (yellow), 250 feet of 18 gauge(purple), and 250 feet of 14 gauge(orange) just for this project. Im gonna guess that I used more than 600 feet of wire. Primarily because I don't have a fixed location for the SJB yet. I might just huck it under the passenger seat and call it good, undecided yet.
Planned placement:
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So, that sucked. But it gets better!
I was like "oh these pedals will just bolt in, it'll be mint!" FUCKING WRONG!
(I got a brake and clutch pedal assembly from a 92mtx)
The brake pedal assembly bolts into the same location and thats fine, but it also bolts into the header panel under the dash, well the bolt holes don't line up from 92 to 2006. 
So. I hacked the adjustable pedal assembly apart, bolted the top mount to the car, and then cut the mount off the '92 brake assembly and created my own support.
Now, I probably could have gotten away without doing this, but for my own piece of mind, I did it. I know how hard I hit that pedal, I don't want it to flex, or break.
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I busted out the globtacular MIG welder (which is currently setup for stainless, hence the not-prettyness)
I tacked what I could into place under the dash, Only set the carpet on fire once, and only dripped molten steel on my face once too (pro-tip: don't do that, it hurts)
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Gave it a quick rattle-can job and bolted it up.
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I also was able to cut the adjustable throttle pedal off the bracket and use it and the motor. So I have 1 adjustable pedal.
 

I bolted in the clutch pedal, which now fits because of the SJB being gone, and here we are:
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I've got three pedals in my Vulcan. Which is still an ATX and the third pedal doesnt do anything yet.

Stay tuned.

 

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Holy shit! This is an amazing project so far :wub: 

 

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He did it. The crazy sonofabitch, he actually did it. B) 

 

:P 

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